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	<title>Comments on: Why I hate web content filtering systems</title>
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		<title>By: mickeysix</title>
		<link>http://mdzlog.alcor.net/2009/08/08/why-i-hate-web-content-filtering-systems/#comment-2763</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 17:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i realize this is an old thread, but i felt obligated to comment.  

filtering content isn&#039;t just about censorship or liability.  many &quot;questionable&quot; sites in general and porn sites in particular are common attack vectors for malware.  as a former network administrator i can&#039;t tell you how many hours of my life were wasted performing malware cleanups, and how many more i saved after i installed sonicwall&#039;s CFS (and their gateway antivirus product as well).  

every time i see an article about this, i think two things:  1) whoever&#039;s bitching has never had to deal with all the repercussions of unfettered internet access, especially in a public environment; and 2) every content filter system in the world is imperfect -- just like all technology.  sonicwall has come a LONG way with theirs -- in two years at my present company as a sales engineer, our sonicwall has never once blocked access to something i needed.    websense and N2H2 are also very good these days, but mistakes will happen. 

as a social libertarian i despise filtering on principle, but principle doesn&#039;t pay the bills and as a network geek i am profoundly thankful that such tools exist.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i realize this is an old thread, but i felt obligated to comment.  </p>
<p>filtering content isn&#8217;t just about censorship or liability.  many &#8220;questionable&#8221; sites in general and porn sites in particular are common attack vectors for malware.  as a former network administrator i can&#8217;t tell you how many hours of my life were wasted performing malware cleanups, and how many more i saved after i installed sonicwall&#8217;s CFS (and their gateway antivirus product as well).  </p>
<p>every time i see an article about this, i think two things:  1) whoever&#8217;s bitching has never had to deal with all the repercussions of unfettered internet access, especially in a public environment; and 2) every content filter system in the world is imperfect &#8212; just like all technology.  sonicwall has come a LONG way with theirs &#8212; in two years at my present company as a sales engineer, our sonicwall has never once blocked access to something i needed.    websense and N2H2 are also very good these days, but mistakes will happen. </p>
<p>as a social libertarian i despise filtering on principle, but principle doesn&#8217;t pay the bills and as a network geek i am profoundly thankful that such tools exist.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Zimmerman (mdz) 's status on Wednesday, 19-Aug-09 16:07:01 UTC - Identi.ca</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt Zimmerman (mdz) 's status on Wednesday, 19-Aug-09 16:07:01 UTC - Identi.ca]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 16:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Joseph James Frantz</title>
		<link>http://mdzlog.alcor.net/2009/08/08/why-i-hate-web-content-filtering-systems/#comment-1466</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joseph James Frantz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 01:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kirrily,

Filtering to remove content is censorship. I know a lot of folks think censorship is only something the government can do, but it&#039;s not. 

In any case I&#039;m not supporting or opposing any specific &quot;web filtering&quot;. I&#039;m merely pointing out why in public places like Airports and Hotels, the legal teams may decide it is better to err on the side of reductive content to avoid the lawsuits that would arise from angry parents wanting things to always be &quot;family friendly&quot;. 

I realize this often leads to ridiculous and often contradictory controls. I&#039;ve seen parents rail against language on the web, while calling their children the worst of names. I&#039;ve seen folks insist we speak a certain way in chat and watched them violate their own rules.

So I hope this explains I&#039;m not supporting the decisions (nor opposing them, as folks have a right to block on their networks, blogs, business sites, etc what they will). Just suggesting why it is so.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kirrily,</p>
<p>Filtering to remove content is censorship. I know a lot of folks think censorship is only something the government can do, but it&#8217;s not. </p>
<p>In any case I&#8217;m not supporting or opposing any specific &#8220;web filtering&#8221;. I&#8217;m merely pointing out why in public places like Airports and Hotels, the legal teams may decide it is better to err on the side of reductive content to avoid the lawsuits that would arise from angry parents wanting things to always be &#8220;family friendly&#8221;. </p>
<p>I realize this often leads to ridiculous and often contradictory controls. I&#8217;ve seen parents rail against language on the web, while calling their children the worst of names. I&#8217;ve seen folks insist we speak a certain way in chat and watched them violate their own rules.</p>
<p>So I hope this explains I&#8217;m not supporting the decisions (nor opposing them, as folks have a right to block on their networks, blogs, business sites, etc what they will). Just suggesting why it is so.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirrily Robert</title>
		<link>http://mdzlog.alcor.net/2009/08/08/why-i-hate-web-content-filtering-systems/#comment-1465</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kirrily Robert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 18:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you s/Censorship/Web filtering/ I would agree with you, apart from the bit where IT DOESN&#039;T WORK.  This SonicWall filter classifies http://kotaku.com/ -- a site with 12 pages of search results for &quot;rape&quot; -- as &quot;games&quot;, but my personal webpage, where I&#039;ve been blogging about technology, and more recently about women in open source, as &quot;Adult&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you s/Censorship/Web filtering/ I would agree with you, apart from the bit where IT DOESN&#8217;T WORK.  This SonicWall filter classifies <a href="http://kotaku.com/" rel="nofollow">http://kotaku.com/</a> &#8212; a site with 12 pages of search results for &#8220;rape&#8221; &#8212; as &#8220;games&#8221;, but my personal webpage, where I&#8217;ve been blogging about technology, and more recently about women in open source, as &#8220;Adult&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin-Éric</title>
		<link>http://mdzlog.alcor.net/2009/08/08/why-i-hate-web-content-filtering-systems/#comment-1463</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martin-Éric]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 15:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, the goal is to mitigate legal risks. No, shifting the responsibility to someone else is not the solution. Giving in to the unreasonable demands of people who are more easily shocked by a pair of breasts than by the barbaric violence shown on prime time TV is not the solution either. Educating them all to the wonders of sex and to the dangers of violence and warfare is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the goal is to mitigate legal risks. No, shifting the responsibility to someone else is not the solution. Giving in to the unreasonable demands of people who are more easily shocked by a pair of breasts than by the barbaric violence shown on prime time TV is not the solution either. Educating them all to the wonders of sex and to the dangers of violence and warfare is.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Zimmerman (mdz) 's status on Sunday, 09-Aug-09 11:47:53 UTC - Identi.ca</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt Zimmerman (mdz) 's status on Sunday, 09-Aug-09 11:47:53 UTC - Identi.ca]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 11:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mdz</title>
		<link>http://mdzlog.alcor.net/2009/08/08/why-i-hate-web-content-filtering-systems/#comment-1458</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mdz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 09:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kirrily Robert has posted a detailed response on her blog at http://infotrope.net/blog/2009/08/09/feminism-pornography-censorship/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kirrily Robert has posted a detailed response on her blog at <a href="http://infotrope.net/blog/2009/08/09/feminism-pornography-censorship/" rel="nofollow">http://infotrope.net/blog/2009/08/09/feminism-pornography-censorship/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kevin DuBois</title>
		<link>http://mdzlog.alcor.net/2009/08/08/why-i-hate-web-content-filtering-systems/#comment-1457</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin DuBois]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 07:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with stephen about why web filtering is in place. 

That being said, filters are annoying. Renting a server and using it as a proxy is the way to go for unfiltered access...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with stephen about why web filtering is in place. </p>
<p>That being said, filters are annoying. Renting a server and using it as a proxy is the way to go for unfiltered access&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph James Frantz</title>
		<link>http://mdzlog.alcor.net/2009/08/08/why-i-hate-web-content-filtering-systems/#comment-1456</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joseph James Frantz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 04:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m with the first comment. The point of a lot of these filters is to make the web in these locals family friendly. Consider if someone is surfing in the lobby or an airport, with children around, blocking certain content, whether they go  there intentionally or not, prevents irate fathers and mothers from taking their shocked children to management. 

Censorship while distasteful for some, is a needed reality in the diverse world in which we live.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with the first comment. The point of a lot of these filters is to make the web in these locals family friendly. Consider if someone is surfing in the lobby or an airport, with children around, blocking certain content, whether they go  there intentionally or not, prevents irate fathers and mothers from taking their shocked children to management. </p>
<p>Censorship while distasteful for some, is a needed reality in the diverse world in which we live.</p>
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		<title>By: Infotropism &#8211; Feminism, pornography, censorship.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Infotropism &#8211; Feminism, pornography, censorship.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 01:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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