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	<title>Comments on: We have a long, long way to go</title>
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	<description>a potpourri of mirth and madness</description>
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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
		<link>http://mdzlog.alcor.net/2009/07/26/we-have-a-long-long-way-to-go/#comment-1373</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Melissa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 14:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jason, 

Matt made a sincere apology for that mistake already and put up a Trigger Warning. Most people have accepted the apology and moved on.

It would be a great help to all if you did the same.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason, </p>
<p>Matt made a sincere apology for that mistake already and put up a Trigger Warning. Most people have accepted the apology and moved on.</p>
<p>It would be a great help to all if you did the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Garrett: 27 Jul 2009 &#124; Full-Linux.com</title>
		<link>http://mdzlog.alcor.net/2009/07/26/we-have-a-long-long-way-to-go/#comment-1361</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matthew Garrett: 27 Jul 2009 &#124; Full-Linux.com]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 06:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] What I want is a future where I can say this person is being a dick, or this person is being a dick or that this person is being a dick and not have to engage in lengthy explanations as to why before [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] What I want is a future where I can say this person is being a dick, or this person is being a dick or that this person is being a dick and not have to engage in lengthy explanations as to why before [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://mdzlog.alcor.net/2009/07/26/we-have-a-long-long-way-to-go/#comment-1360</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 02:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So it&#039;s acceptable to you that the role of Planet Ubuntu is to expose readers to video rape?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So it&#8217;s acceptable to you that the role of Planet Ubuntu is to expose readers to video rape?</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://mdzlog.alcor.net/2009/07/26/we-have-a-long-long-way-to-go/#comment-1359</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 02:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Or perhaps readers of Planet don&#039;t expect to be subjected to video rape? In either actual or promotional fashion. &quot;sympathetic sadness&quot; and &quot;disgusting&quot; are both definitions of &quot;pathetic&quot; and &quot;abhorrent&quot; respectively, and both apply to this post and it&#039;s subject and, more importantly, it&#039;s syndication on Planet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or perhaps readers of Planet don&#8217;t expect to be subjected to video rape? In either actual or promotional fashion. &#8220;sympathetic sadness&#8221; and &#8220;disgusting&#8221; are both definitions of &#8220;pathetic&#8221; and &#8220;abhorrent&#8221; respectively, and both apply to this post and it&#8217;s subject and, more importantly, it&#8217;s syndication on Planet.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
		<link>http://mdzlog.alcor.net/2009/07/26/we-have-a-long-long-way-to-go/#comment-1358</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chuck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 01:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As for why I didn&#039;t comment on any of your other women&#039;s issue posts is because I didn&#039;t feel a need to as they were your opinions on the matter and I didn&#039;t feel a desire to comment. If they were posted to the planet they didn&#039;t make any great impression on me one way or another. 

This time, with the link to a rape video that you provided, on a site that has people of all ages reading it, I really felt that crossed a line of decency and I should voice my thoughts on the matter.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for why I didn&#8217;t comment on any of your other women&#8217;s issue posts is because I didn&#8217;t feel a need to as they were your opinions on the matter and I didn&#8217;t feel a desire to comment. If they were posted to the planet they didn&#8217;t make any great impression on me one way or another. </p>
<p>This time, with the link to a rape video that you provided, on a site that has people of all ages reading it, I really felt that crossed a line of decency and I should voice my thoughts on the matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
		<link>http://mdzlog.alcor.net/2009/07/26/we-have-a-long-long-way-to-go/#comment-1357</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chuck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 01:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The thing is, these other things that I point out are just as horrific about contemporary humanity. Organizations spend in the high end multimillion (Billions? I don&#039;t know the current amount for sure) dollar range to produce and advertise the &quot;entertainment&quot; that I described. Worse, they make a profit spending that much selling that material to the general public. 

Your complaint is that a horrible action is being marketed via your inbox. I&#039;m pointing out that things just as horrible are being marketed in other more potent and direct ways to many more people. They just do not arrive in your inbox as a piece of spam that likely gets filtered out for more people before they receive it in their inbox and a smaller amount actually opens those spam messages that makes it that far. /You/ relayed to the spam to the Ubuntu community.

Far from trying to undermine you I want you to realize the extent of how bad things are and where your complaint needs to continue to reach its next logical steps. If you want to raise awareness of the marketing of human horrors, a piece of spam that few people receive and even less read and pass on to others is just the tip of the iceberg.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing is, these other things that I point out are just as horrific about contemporary humanity. Organizations spend in the high end multimillion (Billions? I don&#8217;t know the current amount for sure) dollar range to produce and advertise the &#8220;entertainment&#8221; that I described. Worse, they make a profit spending that much selling that material to the general public. </p>
<p>Your complaint is that a horrible action is being marketed via your inbox. I&#8217;m pointing out that things just as horrible are being marketed in other more potent and direct ways to many more people. They just do not arrive in your inbox as a piece of spam that likely gets filtered out for more people before they receive it in their inbox and a smaller amount actually opens those spam messages that makes it that far. /You/ relayed to the spam to the Ubuntu community.</p>
<p>Far from trying to undermine you I want you to realize the extent of how bad things are and where your complaint needs to continue to reach its next logical steps. If you want to raise awareness of the marketing of human horrors, a piece of spam that few people receive and even less read and pass on to others is just the tip of the iceberg.</p>
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		<title>By: Scaine</title>
		<link>http://mdzlog.alcor.net/2009/07/26/we-have-a-long-long-way-to-go/#comment-1356</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scaine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 00:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And now emotions are running so high that even simple wit like sarcasm is passed over.

Sensitive subject indeed and I agree with Mary that it probably shouldn&#039;t have hit Planet, but I certainly don&#039;t agree with Jason - this is not a &quot;pathetic&quot; post and it doesn&#039;t make the poster &quot;abhorrent&quot;.  Perhaps the nature of the post just hit a nerve with a few people expecting more chat about Ubuntu itself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And now emotions are running so high that even simple wit like sarcasm is passed over.</p>
<p>Sensitive subject indeed and I agree with Mary that it probably shouldn&#8217;t have hit Planet, but I certainly don&#8217;t agree with Jason &#8211; this is not a &#8220;pathetic&#8221; post and it doesn&#8217;t make the poster &#8220;abhorrent&#8221;.  Perhaps the nature of the post just hit a nerve with a few people expecting more chat about Ubuntu itself.</p>
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		<title>By: mdz</title>
		<link>http://mdzlog.alcor.net/2009/07/26/we-have-a-long-long-way-to-go/#comment-1355</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mdz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 23:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your comment reads like silencing tactic, and your question seems rhetorical.  I might as well ask you why you haven&#039;t commented derisively on any of my other posts on women&#039;s issues.

Please, stop looking for an angle to undermine me, and just take what I&#039;m saying at face value.  I was calling attention to something which reflects something horrific about contemporary humanity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your comment reads like silencing tactic, and your question seems rhetorical.  I might as well ask you why you haven&#8217;t commented derisively on any of my other posts on women&#8217;s issues.</p>
<p>Please, stop looking for an angle to undermine me, and just take what I&#8217;m saying at face value.  I was calling attention to something which reflects something horrific about contemporary humanity.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Garrett</title>
		<link>http://mdzlog.alcor.net/2009/07/26/we-have-a-long-long-way-to-go/#comment-1335</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matthew Garrett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 11:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The role of Planet Ubuntu has never been to be purely Ubuntu related - it&#039;s supposed to give you insight into the *people* working on Ubuntu, whether they&#039;re engaging in technical discussion or not. If you only want to see Ubuntu related discussion then Planet Ubuntu is not the correct forum for you to be subscribing to.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The role of Planet Ubuntu has never been to be purely Ubuntu related &#8211; it&#8217;s supposed to give you insight into the *people* working on Ubuntu, whether they&#8217;re engaging in technical discussion or not. If you only want to see Ubuntu related discussion then Planet Ubuntu is not the correct forum for you to be subscribing to.</p>
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		<title>By: Greenspan</title>
		<link>http://mdzlog.alcor.net/2009/07/26/we-have-a-long-long-way-to-go/#comment-1334</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greenspan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 11:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I mean, surely their entire world, work and lives should be 100% Ubuntu technically oriented with absolutely no deviations into non-technical aspects such as social issues that affect the Ubuntu community.&quot;

That&#039;s exactly the point; the only vague relation that this post has to the Ubuntu community is that it has to do with the Internet. 

If I wanted to know his every thought and feeling, I&#039;d subscribe to this blog directly. Instead, I subscribed to Planet Ubuntu, and Planet Fedora, and Planet Mozilla, etc, etc; all of which I have bookmarked under the title &quot;Dev Blogs&quot;. This indicates that my intention was to have direct access to technical discussions related to these topics.

The people who manage the planets seem to be woefully lax with the postings allowed there; for every good technical post I see, I get ten other posts talking about what someone had for lunch, or how far someone biked that day, or a post full of what someone considers to be photography.

So the state of relevant posts on the Planets is bad enough as it is without people trying to say that this sort of rambling actually makes sense.

By the way, sensitive topic or not, ending your post in &quot;for shame&quot; does not automatically place you on some sort of moral high ground. Just thought you should know.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I mean, surely their entire world, work and lives should be 100% Ubuntu technically oriented with absolutely no deviations into non-technical aspects such as social issues that affect the Ubuntu community.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s exactly the point; the only vague relation that this post has to the Ubuntu community is that it has to do with the Internet. </p>
<p>If I wanted to know his every thought and feeling, I&#8217;d subscribe to this blog directly. Instead, I subscribed to Planet Ubuntu, and Planet Fedora, and Planet Mozilla, etc, etc; all of which I have bookmarked under the title &#8220;Dev Blogs&#8221;. This indicates that my intention was to have direct access to technical discussions related to these topics.</p>
<p>The people who manage the planets seem to be woefully lax with the postings allowed there; for every good technical post I see, I get ten other posts talking about what someone had for lunch, or how far someone biked that day, or a post full of what someone considers to be photography.</p>
<p>So the state of relevant posts on the Planets is bad enough as it is without people trying to say that this sort of rambling actually makes sense.</p>
<p>By the way, sensitive topic or not, ending your post in &#8220;for shame&#8221; does not automatically place you on some sort of moral high ground. Just thought you should know.</p>
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